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There are actually many countries up in Europe that do not allow child pornagraphy yet still do it. I was surfing the net for dating engine thingies, stumbled appon a porn site that didn't sound like a porn site, and was bombarded by about 30 or so adds. While I was closing them they maximized and stuff and around 8 of them were EXPLICIT child pornagraphy. All of them from some country in Europe. A UN conference in I believe [ citation needed ] totally failed to define this term.

It is loosely and poorly defined, and in some countries includes writings, drawings, collages of items clipped from newspapers e. boys in underwear, a personal collage of which earned some poor clown in Ontario a criminal record.

In Canada we joke that "all criticism of government is child pornography", and some anarchists put pictures of smiling naked babies on their political manifestoes as a protest - but they don't do this online. Prosecutions generally target the actual photographic depiction of child abuse, which is abhorrent to pretty much anyone but the definition of "child pornography" has variously been so broad as to create police state like conditions, e.

I don't think the article as it stands really touches on all those issues and questions. I remember a fairly recent controversy in the UK over a photographer who took pictures of her children naked and exhibited them.

Anyone have references? and many yaoi sites link to, or reference, shota-con. the shortening shota does seem to be used quite often, but both terms seem to be acceptable.

i'll add a reference to this on the shota-con page, if you haven't already. I added some comments about economic factors causing children to voluntarily become involved in child porn.

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Quoting a girl from Costa Rika "Everything I do is for my two little ones at home. Nice to see that some people have taken a rational approach to defining 'child porn'.

Sadly, most people don't even want to discuss it. If we are understand ourselves and justify our morality, then object and clear definitions are needed. Still, in this article, 'child' is taken as a monolithic notion. Most people would agree that a 2 year old and a 17 year old are not necessarily equivalant.

In Australia, I believe that the law on child abuse does take into consideration the age of the victim. I think that a similar aproach is taken to child pornography the ages 14, 16 and 18 spring to mind. The interaction between notions of 'consensuality' and what should be illegal is interesting.

In at least some of the countries mentioned, the age of consent for intercourse is lower than the age for 'child' pornography.

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This would create the interesting situation whereby a couple could take pictures of themselves having sex which would be illegal for them to possess. I find the argument that child porn is wrong because it normalises or encourages child abuse to be dubious. We allow graphic violence and depictions of murder, perhaps this should also be banned. This leaves the argument that child porn is wrong because it requires the abuse of children what then of simulated child porn, or images of consensual sex between, say, 16 year old Australians ie people above the age of consent.

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From a moral point of view and I love these knotty moral issuesI have always wondered what the position would be of someone who took pictures of themselves in a sexual state masturbating perhaps when they were young, and then wished to distribute these pictures perhaps later in life, as an adult.

I've never understood why any age of consent is higher than 14, or why it's illegal to have porn of someone the age of 14 and over. By 14 everyone except for the rare few have gone through the larger part of peuberty and have breasts and pubic hair and such, so I'm not sure what distinguishes them from someone older except in judgment ability.

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Perhaps we should go by one county's law, I forget which, which has conditional consent at 12 whereas, the child would have to prove to be mature and capable of giving knowledgable consent.

and then unconditional at The children can have sex among themselves, so why not people who are slightly older? And what's wrong with taking pictures? It's all just silly to me.

When I was that age I would have loved to boff some of my younger teachers, and a teacher is more likely to remind one to use condums than someone else that age is.

Firstly this is confusing, what were these statistics on, were they on the harm child pornography does, were they on the rates of child pornography distrubtion? Secondly what evidence was there that these statistics were dubious, this looks to me like more pro child pornography propaganda. It's certainly POV because I doubt this is the almost universally held view on the subject. Signed Timothy Scriven -The preceding unsigned comment was added by Why was the supreme court decision limited to simulated child porn?

I can not think of a logical reason for that. Assume an adult has taken pictures of himself, when he was a child, while masturbating and now wants to keep possessing them or distribute them. The informed consent argument does not apply here. There are still reasons for prohibition, but they would all also outlaw simulated child porn.

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If nobody objects, then I will move the relevant text into an own section "free speech". Moon light shadow5 Apr UTC. I'd like to suggest that by referring to child pornography as the "familiar term" "kiddie porn", some may say that giving it a nick name such as this in some way legitamises it, and makes it seem like it's an acceptable practice. Or is this just me? Anyone else in favour of removing this expression from the opening sentence?

There is plenty of factual information in comments to a story on a bust of a "Ukrainian child porn ring" i. a modelling studio that made child erotica.

Can't be bothered to read it all, though. I know to some people this may seem obvious, but no where on the page does it ever really mention WHY child pornography is concidered to be so bad. It's all about legal discriptions and past productions, when really, that was all I wanted to know.

Why exactly is child pornography concidered so harmful? I live in the UK and lost my virginity at the age of 16 to my 16 year old girlfriend. If I'd lived in Arizona, for example, I would have been having sex with a minor. In the UK, no problem. What makes girls in Arizona so different from girls in the UK? The Court, however, expresses no view as to whether COPA suffers from substantial overbreadth for reasons other than its use of community standards, whether the statute is unconstitutionally vague, or whether the statute survives strict scrutiny.

Prudence dictates allowing the Third Circuit to first examine these difficult issues. Because petitioner did not ask to have the preliminary injunction vacated, and because this Court could not do so without addressing matters the Third Circuit has yet to consider, the Government remains enjoined from enforcing COPA absent further action by the lower courts. Held: The prohibitions of 8 B and 8 D are overbroad and unconstitutional. Held: The CDA's "indecent transmission" and "patently offensive display" provisions abridge "the freedom of speech" protected by the First Amendment.

Supreme Court ruled that certain photos of children are NOT child porn. Here user:Zanthalon seems to play the main role.

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Checking their contribution lists tells easily which articles need a complete rewrite: List of self-identified pederasts and pedophilesChildlove movementpedophiliaChild sexualityChild pornographyChild sexual abuseCapturing the FriedmansRind et al.

I put the german articles on the list of articles that lack neutrality and need more care - the latter was immediately reverted by guess who. Please help taking care of the trouble. Get-back-world-respect de:Benutzer:Stardust. And be sure that I did judge their output.

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I'd suggest that the links right at the top of this section should be categorised like the others in subsections. Regarding the links to the 3 news stories one BBC, two Guardianunless these are directly referenced somehow in which case put them in references I'm not convinced they're worth linking to.

If we started linking every article in the media regarding child porn we'd have hundreds of links, and these don't look to be particularly in-depth or original.

At the least they should be clearly dated. WhiteCat25 January UTC. I noticed on your recent changes you put in 'directly'.

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While I do agree that simulated child porn doesn't directly harm children, I also don't think it harms them period. What evidence is there for simulated child porn encouraging child molestation?

Probably about as much as video games encouraging gun violence. I think it's an outlet that DECREASES the real-world transpirings. Let's say that crime-media encouraged criminals to commit similar crimes. By that method of thinking, shouldn't the news be censored in airing murders and terrorist attacks, as they would only encourage the crimes?

Tyciol31 January UTC. That is a pretty serious claim to make for it to be left so vague. I would like to see a mention of which "available studies" show that or at least see some resources cited for that statement. I think your numerous entries and admissions in this discussion make it abundantly clear where your interests lie Tyciol. I think you'd do well to stop ego-buffing yourself as a member of the self-appointed intelligensia and hope that you grow out of these interests before you get much older.

You are being watched. I don't remember enough specifics to properly cite this, but I've seen at least one study that shows this to be true - in New Zealand if I remember correctly.

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Also, there's a "sexual deviancy rehabilitation clinic" forgot the actual name nearby that the local courts order sex offenders to get therapy at, and I went in and took a look in the lobby once. I saw people as young as maybe 10 or 11 years old, and I was really confused until I read that New Zealand study.

I'm guessing some of those kids broke child pornography laws, or committed some other sex-related crime. Qwasty13 September UTC. I think this part of the article needs serious work. It actually has nothing to do with society's perception of child pornography. Instead, its a list of unverified exceptional cases where anti-child abuse laws have been criticised as taken to extremes.

As such, I think it violates the NPOV code. I wouldn't say its defending child pornography, but I question the motivations behind publishing this kind of information in such a one-sided way. The article says that the Ashcroft v.

Free Speech Coalition ruling allows for simulated child porn. But what about this: [1]?

Sure he had real stuff on his computer, but he also got nailed for the mangas as well. Themself is not a word. The correct word is themselvesand may be used as a generic singular in these instances. The following information is based on a story in the national Algemeen Dagblad newspaper in the Netherlands.

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It's all over the news in the Netherlands today. I'm wondering if it should go into the article as the second sentence in the keywords para of the Commercial production and distribution section. There's no telling if anything will come of it, or how far it will go.

Just dropping it off here for others to decide:. AvB ? talk17 March UTC. Yeah, I was seduced and subsequently molested by Wikipedia back in the late 60's True story.

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Is it illegal for children to view child pornography? I get the impression it is reading through the talk page, in which case: is it illegal by laws saying "child porn is illegal, and that's it," or by specifying age-groups? Is it legal for children to view porn at all? Could the answer be noted briefly in the article? It's relevant, seeing as teenagers do view the stuff.

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Njal29 April UTC. I was molested at age 7 by a guy who had piles of ponography all over his house and a Nazi flag in his den. It was SICK, SICK, SICK, Dont come off and tell me its harmless as long as whatever.

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Normal Pornography, when in the hands of some asshole who is "infatuated with children" can cause him to do "EVIL" things that he might not have done otherwise. These asshole criminals should be "CASTRATED" while awake, "REAMED" and then sent to jail with tattos on thier heads that say "Child Molester! wake up and see it! I think people should only have sex with people as old as them.

Adult people who molest children are just as disgusting as old people who engage in sexual acts with young "consenting lol" people.

Cuzandor5 June UTC. Dear merlinus1 The only conection made from parents who abuse there kids either with pain or sex, is that it happened to them. amazing net is one of those stores owned but that stock company. And many people "read" porn mags, child rape is a small compared to the number of slut out there.

FyiFoff 18 November EST. You need a CITATION that there's a stigma attached to child porn!? Can't somebody even write that lawnmowers cut grass without needing a citation?

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I was going to say something about that, the 'citation needed' really needs to be romoved. Of course, because you are browsing Wikipedo judging by this discussion. Maybe Tyciol should set up a sub-site? I'm pretty sure that the "artist merit" of written materials isn't involved. Such texts are protected under "freedom of speech", right?

It would be great if this article could explain this inconsistency. If virtual child porn per the statutory definition depictions of a minor, whether real or imaginary, engaged in a sexual act has supposedly been "proven" to contribute to the act of child sexual abuse, then why does text describing the very same acts of sexual exploitation with a minor not have a similar psycological effect?

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Was some government-funded evaluation performed to determine if inducement to engage in a criminal activity is relieved when it is experienced in textual rather than visual form? What about auditory child pornography. Is that protected by free speech? And what about a role-playing fantasies whereby an actor molests a blow-up doll of a child in a stageplay.

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That would appear to encourage child sexual abuse. However, in this scenario there is technically no visual depiction of a minor involved because it is a live stageplay which itself has artistic merit. Is this also protected by free speech? Clearly, the U. law in this respect still has a lot of loopholes and inconsistencies that need to be remedied.



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